TIME WASTED BY WA POLICE - Page 2

trashman · 07-01-2008, 10:50

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Originally Posted by mUTHA

5 posters are not illegal but must comply with regs such as 10deg angle upwards no higher than highest pint on bonnet outside post must ahve 150mm crurve no sharp edges and other shite like that....

mUTHA mate ...yes by all acounts 5 posters are not illegal but im not too shore whee ya getting ya info about the construction of bullbars but i sergest ppl ( not just you mate ) STOP lissining to ppl talking shit and find out for them selves wat is and isnt legal ...

the leening back thing is not in the manufacting gidelines put out by the gov.. the only thing it says about lening back relats to nudge bars (or city cars as it says in the book)
this roomer has gotten legs and ppl are saying it's legal becose the ppl at iven bars have gotten in contact with the ppl at the lic centers and come up with it to help the hole non agressive look and it will help to roll the roo ...sorry the stupid person who dosent know how to cross the road over the bonnet there for making the bar more legal

theres more info on the thred NO MORE FERRIL POSTERS WTF but if you wont to know where to find the manufacturing gidelines drop me a pm and ill send ya some info ...

Please note i have edited this post .. i removed the word not from this line... there for making it more legal
sorry for the typeo ...

BeautUtes

XHoutbackgirl · 07-01-2008, 10:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by trashman

mUTHA mate ...yes by all acounts 5 posters are not illegal but im not too shore whee ya getting ya info about the construction of bullbars but i sergest ppl ( not just you mate ) STOP lissining to ppl talking shit and find out for them selves wat is and isnt legal ...

the leening back thing is not in the manufacting gidelines put out by the gov.. the only thing it says about lening back relats to nudge bars (or city cars as it says in the book)
this roomer has gotten legs and ppl are saying it's legal becose the ppl at iven bars have gotten in contact with the ppl at the lic centers and come up with it to help the hole non agressive look and it will help to roll the roo ... sorry the stupid person who dosnt know how to cross the road to roll over the bonet there for not makeing more legal ...

theres more info on the thred NO MORE FERRIL POSTERS WTF but if you wont to know where to find the manufacturing gidelines drop me a pm and ill send ya some info ...

Here is the link for the guidlines on bullbars in WA, read it for yourself, and im pretty sure it does say something about the angle of the bar. its to do with making the point of contact lower. you will see the acceptable bull bar has the top leaning back slightly

http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/mediaFiles/lic_CI-112B.pdf

mUTHA · 07-01-2008, 11:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by trashman

mUTHA mate ...yes by all acounts 5 posters are not illegal but im not too shore whee ya getting ya info about the construction of bullbars but i sergest ppl ( not just you mate ) STOP lissining to ppl talking shit and find out for them selves wat is and isnt legal ...

the leening back thing is not in the manufacting gidelines put out by the gov.. the only thing it says about lening back relats to nudge bars (or city cars as it says in the book)
this roomer has gotten legs and ppl are saying it's legal becose the ppl at iven bars have gotten in contact with the ppl at the lic centers and come up with it to help the hole non agressive look and it will help to roll the roo ... sorry the stupid person who dosnt know how to cross the road to roll over the bonet there for not makeing more legal ...

theres more info on the thred NO MORE FERRIL POSTERS WTF but if you wont to know where to find the manufacturing gidelines drop me a pm and ill send ya some info ...

local OIC at bruce rock... i had a very long winded chat to him about what is ant isnt legal on ya typ ute...

but yer trashy im with u i would research these sorts of things myself if i had a query...

trashman · 07-01-2008, 11:29

Figure 3. "Nudge Bar" Design for Metropolitan Use

For City Vehicles

For metropolitan use, a "Nudge Bar" design is preferred. (See Figure 3)
The bar should be angled backward to present the lowest possible point of initial contact with a pedestrian.
The overall height of the bar should be kept as low as possible.

this is the only thing in it that says anything about leaning back and as in my post above i said it relates to nudge bars in the city use ...

when it comes to Country cars it says this
For Country Vehicles
Vehicles that travel extensively on country roads may need a higher level of protection against a collision with an animal such as a kangaroo or an emu. In this case the more traditional bull bar design may be desirable.
The front face of the bull bar should not lean outward from the vehicle.
The overall height of the bar should be kept as low as possible. It should not protrude above the front of the bonnet line.

As i have said in meany other post on this subject and being a welder fabricator and have made meany things to comply with goverment guidlines Bull Bar Construction Guidelines is open to interptashon and are really quite vage and really any one could argue the point till the cows come home

IE the point is made that with the bar leaning back it lowers the point of contact there for makeing it more legal evan thow with iven bars leening back they make it very clear to you that they DO NOT garentee that the bar is legal ... but the " coutry use bullbars " it only says that the bar needs to NOT lean forwords ... ther for it still can be vertical ...

the next point could be made that I drive a lowers ss holden ... the bar i would fit to it would not be any higher than the lowest point on a bar that is fitted to some 4x4 ... point being that it has a low point of contact there for making it more legal ...

this is wat i mean a smart person could talk there way around the matter till the cows come home but there is a lot of roomers and bull crap flying around about wat is and isn't legal ... this is why i said that ppl should not lissen to the roomers and do there own invesagashon and make up there own mind and fit wat they feel is most legal ...

BeautUtes

trashman · 07-01-2008, 11:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by mUTHA

local OIC at bruce rock... i had a very long winded chat to him about what is ant isnt legal on ya typ ute...

but yer trashy im with u i would research these sorts of things myself if i had a query...

Mate that the only point im trying to make ppl need to investgate the matter ... iv talked to the dpi ivern scott out at arb in northam ppl over east and read the construction gideline meany times ...

but one point i now make with ppl and as it was said to me ... ya can put the bigest hung of ali on the frunt of you ute but it will only be as strong as the mounting brackets ... and being a air bag car there week as piss ... so all in all it's kinda a wast of time putting a big F#&k off bar on realy ... but im in the school of some thing is better than nothing ...

BIG MIK 426 · 04-10-2008, 16:58

hey guys, I have been a new guy for a bit and this is my first post, just reading up about this whole 5 poster fiasco, I can't believe the government has whipped the producers of this land again (that being rural people, no offence intended) I am a red p-plater and I am familiar with the crazy and stupid laws the government pulls out of their asses to "help" us. I feel that this 5 poster rule is much the same, sure the bull bars are flashy and nice on the eyes but they also serve a very important purpose in protecting the occupants of the vehicle and the vehicle itself. I do not agree with these "canaries" as i come from nsw but could anyone give me a low down on wat they are ( fine, points off license ect)
Cheers

lala85 · 04-10-2008, 17:52

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Originally Posted by BIG MIK 426

hey guys, I have been a new guy for a bit and this is my first post, just reading up about this whole 5 poster fiasco, I can't believe the government has whipped the producers of this land again (that being rural people, no offence intended) I am a red p-plater and I am familiar with the crazy and stupid laws the government pulls out of their asses to "help" us. I feel that this 5 poster rule is much the same, sure the bull bars are flashy and nice on the eyes but they also serve a very important purpose in protecting the occupants of the vehicle and the vehicle itself. I do not agree with these "canaries" as i come from nsw but could anyone give me a low down on wat they are ( fine, points off license ect)
Cheers

Hey Big Mik 426- whats meant by a canary is a Vehicle Defect notice/sticker placed onto the car. Where you have a certain amount of days to fix (before vehicle becomes unlicenced) what the police officer has stated to be wrong with the car ie... 5 poster bullbar, bald tyres....... and then you have to take it over the pits (vehicle inspcetion agent) and that costs about $90 to get it inspected where they do a full once over of the vehicle and if they find anything wrong your sent away to fix it and bring it back paying the fee once again....... Once given tick of approval sticker your okay

most that have a 5 poster and get stickered for it have to take the bullbar off either theyve kept the original front bumper or they find one they can use to take vehicle ofer pits then once stickers off they bolt the 5poster back on and starts the cycle again......................

hope this helps mate...

cheers
Laura

Mulisha_Rider · 04-10-2008, 21:28

It really depends on where you get pulled over whether the cops are going to let you pass or not. I have lights across the bullbar of my ute and only Fremantle cops have picked me for them and gone passed lots of police cars since them and they havent pulled me over. When they did i went onto the internet and got the laws regarding marker lamps and they are perfectly legal according to what was written. Cops really need to read up on the laws because they are continually changed. But then i hate the fact that if they see a ute with lights on it and a bullbar they automatically think they are a hoon...

BeautUtes

BIG MIK 426 · 06-10-2008, 00:04

thanks that really helps like i said i come from nsw and it seems crazy

07-01-2008, 11:29	#24 (permalink)
trashman Status: Hardcore Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wolf Creek... lol Wongong Posts: 1,194 Rep Power: 4	Re: TIME WASTED BY WA POLICE Figure 3. "Nudge Bar" Design for Metropolitan Use For City Vehicles For metropolitan use, a "Nudge Bar" design is preferred. (See Figure 3) The bar should be angled backward to present the lowest possible point of initial contact with a pedestrian. The overall height of the bar should be kept as low as possible. this is the only thing in it that says anything about leaning back and as in my post above i said it relates to nudge bars in the city use ... when it comes to Country cars it says this For Country Vehicles Vehicles that travel extensively on country roads may need a higher level of protection against a collision with an animal such as a kangaroo or an emu. In this case the more traditional bull bar design may be desirable. The front face of the bull bar should not lean outward from the vehicle. The overall height of the bar should be kept as low as possible. It should not protrude above the front of the bonnet line. As i have said in meany other post on this subject and being a welder fabricator and have made meany things to comply with goverment guidlines Bull Bar Construction Guidelines is open to interptashon and are really quite vage and really any one could argue the point till the cows come home IE the point is made that with the bar leaning back it lowers the point of contact there for makeing it more legal evan thow with iven bars leening back they make it very clear to you that they DO NOT garentee that the bar is legal ... but the " coutry use bullbars " it only says that the bar needs to NOT lean forwords ... ther for it still can be vertical ... the next point could be made that I drive a lowers ss holden ... the bar i would fit to it would not be any higher than the lowest point on a bar that is fitted to some 4x4 ... point being that it has a low point of contact there for making it more legal ... this is wat i mean a smart person could talk there way around the matter till the cows come home but there is a lot of roomers and bull crap flying around about wat is and isn't legal ... this is why i said that ppl should not lissen to the roomers and do there own invesagashon and make up there own mind and fit wat they feel is most legal ... __________________ *Chassing down the dream* *Project Black Opps :* *The NED* *comming in late 2008* *Principle Owner :COMET* *Work hard play harder* *Live my life like my mum told me not to* *With a ute under foot* *a rum in one hand and a pie in the other* *i only have one question?* *WHO THE HELL IS STEERING?*

04-10-2008, 16:58	#26 (permalink)
BIG MIK 426 Status: Newbie Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: West Wyalong Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0	Re: TIME WASTED BY WA POLICE hey guys, I have been a new guy for a bit and this is my first post, just reading up about this whole 5 poster fiasco, I can't believe the government has whipped the producers of this land again (that being rural people, no offence intended) I am a red p-plater and I am familiar with the crazy and stupid laws the government pulls out of their asses to "help" us. I feel that this 5 poster rule is much the same, sure the bull bars are flashy and nice on the eyes but they also serve a very important purpose in protecting the occupants of the vehicle and the vehicle itself. I do not agree with these "canaries" as i come from nsw but could anyone give me a low down on wat they are ( fine, points off license ect) Cheers

04-10-2008, 21:28	#28 (permalink)
Mulisha_Rider Status: Newbie Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Forrestfield Posts: 43 Rep Power: 0	Re: TIME WASTED BY WA POLICE It really depends on where you get pulled over whether the cops are going to let you pass or not. I have lights across the bullbar of my ute and only Fremantle cops have picked me for them and gone passed lots of police cars since them and they havent pulled me over. When they did i went onto the internet and got the laws regarding marker lamps and they are perfectly legal according to what was written. Cops really need to read up on the laws because they are continually changed. But then i hate the fact that if they see a ute with lights on it and a bullbar they automatically think they are a hoon...

06-10-2008, 00:04	#29 (permalink)
BIG MIK 426 Status: Newbie Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: West Wyalong Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0	Re: TIME WASTED BY WA POLICE thanks that really helps like i said i come from nsw and it seems crazy __________________ Live Life To The Fullest *My Ute Is Like A Beat Up Mud Crab...* *Not Real Pretty!* *But Always Sideways!*